The Story Behind The Beatles Song “Strawberry Fields Forever”

Transcript


Ryan Gregg: This is a podcast that I’m starting as a music fan. I’m a guy who loves songs who love songwriting. I especially love the stories behind songs. That’s what we’re going to be focusing on in this podcast: talking about the stories behind some songs that you know, and hopefully some songs that you don’t. The format for each episode will be centered around one song, and then I’ll have an interview with someone. And I’ll also give some information about the song. And so this is the first episode which is on the best band of all time, The Beatles.


You may not love the Beatles and that’s alright. What my hope is with this podcast is to hit not just one specific type of music. I love music from The Beatles to Nirvana to Bon Iver, Elliott Smith, and Billie Holiday. There’s a wide gamut of fantastic music that we have at our fingertips. It’s never been easier to access. And for me the thing that most excites me, the reason that I went about putting this podcast together if I had to hone in on the thing that I like about it? What am I hoping to communicate to you listening while you’re driving … while you’re working out … why you’re listening wherever you are? The the stories behind the songs I think are what move me when I know what a band was going through when a song was being written or recorded. When I know what a singer was dealing with in his life while he was singing a certain lyric, to me that opens up a room of emotional connection, and it widens the range of how I relate to a song, to how I love a song. It makes me love the music more deeply.

There have been some albums and some songs that once I found out the story behind it, it made me love it even more. And so that’s my favorite thing: talking about the stories and talking about why we like a song and what makes it unique.

“Strawberry Fields Forever”

Today’s episode is on, “Strawberry Fields Forever.” I could talk about this song for a long time, but I’m going to make a brief rundown of the high points of what makes this song unique. Then we’re gonna head over to an interview with my friend Bill Victor who posted a Beatles question that had me in knots for a couple days. So I won’t tell you what the question was, but we’ll get to that interview here in just a couple of minutes.

Episode One of the Songs of Note podcast

The song that we’re talking about today is “Strawberry Fields Forever,” one of my favorite Beatle songs. I hope you know it, I hope you love it, but if you don’t, I’m pumped to you. Maybe don’t know it. And hopefully, this is an introduction for you.

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The Story Behind “Strawberry Fields Forever”

If you had to narrow down the background of “Strawberry Fields Forever,” it’s really a story about John Lennon and the loss of his mother. John’s mother was named Julia, and she was reported to social services by her sister Mimi, and so the two of them lived in town together. His Aunt Mimi didn’t think that Julia was doing a good job of being a parent to him, so she actually turned her in. And John’s mother, Julia, was known to be a loud personality, lots of fun. She taught John to play banjo and the ukulele. She gave over custody of John to Mimi.

And so the person that watched him was Mimi, but the person who he would see in town all the time with his mom, Julia, which was very weird for him. On July 15, 1958, Julia was actually hit by an off duty police officer and killed when John was only 14 years old.

John talks about her her death throughout his life. Yoko Ono would talk about how all the way into the 1970s he would be in bed about to go to sleep and he’s still talking about his mom. She had this huge impact on him and this lasting impact, and it he never got over it.

Strawberry Field was, according to John, the name of an old Victorian house converted for the Salvation Army. It was near Lennon’s childhood home outside of Liverpool. John used to go there with his buddies and they played in the garden behind his home.

There was a garden party that was held each summer. Aunt Mini said there was always something about the place that fascinated John. He could see it from his window and he loved going to the garden party they had each year where he used to hear the Salvation Army Band, and he would pull her along saying, “Hurry up, Mimi, we’re going to be late.” So that’s young John Lennon.

Fast Forward To 1966

Fast forward in 1966. The Beatles had become the biggest band ever. They’ve conquered every every market there is. Beatlemania has swept the nation. No one’s ever seen anything like it. Okay, so at this point when they when they play shows, the band can’t even hear the notes they’re playing because of the screams of the group. In the audience because they, they just were obsessed with the Beatles and they were amazing. I would have been screaming like that to the Beatles man. Oh my gosh, I can’t imagine going to a Beatles concert but so for the band what they said though, was you know, it got to the point where it just felt like a farce. It felt like a we’re walking out on stage and you are just screaming, we’re not getting any better as musicians, you can’t actually hear what we’re playing. Because you’re screaming so loud. And so they got tired of touring, they were done with it. And so by 1966 you know, the, the Kennedy assassination happened the night 1963 which is right around when the Beatles got huge in the US specifically

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And so within that little period there they went from doing very you know, straight straight ahead rock and roll to move to 1966 and they have done revolver which is a groundbreaking album, so many cool songs on there. So much Amazing recording techniques. They they brought in so many new, somebody new techniques, I could go into that, but I’m gonna keep going. And they, they just pushed the genre of rock and roll forward tremendously with one album, okay, so that that album revolver came out in on August 5 1966. So I used to be in a band, and we would travel and that’s what I did for 10 years. And anytime that we had a new song, a new album, that was the thing, I couldn’t wait to play a new song because it was the thing that we were most excited about. And so when you look at the Beatles, they’ve they’ve played together hundreds and hundreds of shows maybe thousands at this point. It’s 1966. They go to play their final concert on August 29 1966. And they don’t play a single song from the album that they released three weeks before. What that tells me is the band’s recording life is completely done. From their, from their concert life, these are two separate entities they go on stage. And they’re playing songs that they played years back when they would travel in play in small places. So some of the songs they played that night rock and roll music she’s a woman if I needed someone daytripper babies in black, these are great. These are great Beatle songs. But these are these are songs written by a different band than the band that just recorded revolver. So the concert was one of the shortest that they ever did, and the setlist included no songs from revolver which is astounding to me, when you think of the weight of the amount of beautiful songs on revolver, so as far as the story about how john lennon really wrote the song, the band, you know, had been touring like crazy. The revolver album comes out they have their final concert end of August 1967 and the band is ready for a break. So everybody finally get some time apart. john lennon gets offered part in a movie called how I won the war, which was a take away, Richard Lester’s anti war comedy. He goes off to America, Spain to do the movie. Everybody kind of goes their own ways. And so while he’s there in Spain

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imagine john lennon goes from being one of the most famous people in the world. He can’t go anywhere without people mobbing him screaming for him. He now is on a movie set where he’s really secluded. There’s all this time between takes. He has a lot of downtime, a lot of quiet time. So he ends up on a beach. And so there are some quotes from his co star whose name was Michael Crawford. And it talks about he talks about linen just working on this song in so you imagine, you know, imagine john lennon sitting on a beach in America, Spain, one of the biggest celebrities in musicians in the world and he finally has quiet and so what does he do what what time Does he return to he’s anonymous people No, no him. He returns to his childhood and he sings about strawberry field a place that he knew as a kid, as a child that had tremendous weight to him. His co star, Michael Crawford had a quote and he said, you know, so picture this this is, this is a guy, the only guy who happens to have a front row seat to john lennon writing one of these most one of the most famous songs ever. So here’s this quote, he says, because they shared like a bungalow during the recording. So just it’s just two guys, you know, sharing a common living space because they’re working on this project together. It just happens to be john lennon working on one of the most famous songs that so Crawford says he used to sit cross legged on the beach or on the bed working on a melody. I heard him playing in the same bar over and over again until I got the right sequence and he told john really, it’s good I wouldn’t mess with it. You see, it’s so funny to imagine this guy hearing this beautiful song coming up from john lennon in John’s messin with that are tweaking it in the guys like it’s good. It’s up Problems is good. Just, you know, don’t mess with it too much promises sounds great. JOHN later said that the song helped him wrestle with complex emotions in a confessional and abstract way. And he said it was psychoanalysis set to music. Now Paul McCartney and john lennon grew up together and they’re in their teens and even George Harrison, the three of them, you can see photos of them. They are young guys, and they were already playing music together. And so Paul knew strawberry field at the place that john was talking about. And so that here’s here’s a quote from Paul, he said, I’ve seen strawberry field described as adult grimy place next door to him that john imagined to be a beautiful place but in the summer wasn’t dull and grimy at all. It was a secret garden. John’s memory of it wasn’t to do with the fact that it was the Salvation Army home that was up at the house. There was a wall you could bunk over and it was a rather wild garden. It wasn’t manicured at all. So it was easy to hide in. And I love that line. It’s he was easy to hide in because you can imagine a young john lennon letting his imagination run. Instead for the part where you’re where he’s saying Nothing to get hung about. That’s that’s the line nothing, they get hung about Strawberry Fields Forever. I always thought that was like nothing to be worried about or nothing to be bothered about. What the line actually is about is his and Mimi in her instruction was not to play in the grounds of strawberry field. And she didn’t want them to get in trouble in so what john would say back to her was, they can’t hang you for it in so anytime he’s singing, nothing to get hung about Strawberry Fields Forever. He’s directly referencing the woman who raised him as a child. And I think that’s such a interesting turn on the lyric that I would have not known. Had I not researched it. And so when the band got back together, so they’ve stopped worrying, they’re getting back together. At this point. They are seeing music and career and fame and in a very different way. They’re over it. They’re over the noise of the celebrity and in hit record, And at this point, they want to make music that that moves them in. So, you know, in the 60s if a band was going to record a song, the song would be limited to. Okay, well, let’s come up with the song One, two, how are we going to execute this live? Okay, well, here’s a, here’s a guitar part. And here’s a bass part, here’s a drum part. You wouldn’t necessarily think oh, let’s put in a cello or let’s put in a Mellotron or let’s put in these random instruments that even if they sound great, you’re not going to be able to make it you’re not gonna be able to execute it live. That was a that was a real

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barrier for artists at this time is so what what the Beatles came in with and specifically john lennon for this recording session. He came in and told George Martin who was their producer, he said I’m tired of making this music. I want to make heavy music I want to make I’m tired of making soft music for soft people as I think is his actual quote. And so they went forth with this recording technique. And you know, john is telling George, he says we don’t have to play these songs for anybody live, this is for us. Let’s make something that we’re going to love. And so that’s what they do. And so the first song that they recorded here for this new album, we end up being the first song of Sergeant Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band. And it’s not included on the album. It ended up being recorded as a double A side with Penny Lane. And

Unknown Speaker
man, I mean, Sergeant Pepper is like one of the top it’s usually the number one or number two album listed on the all time Best Albums list. And it doesn’t include Strawberry Fields Forever in Penny Lane, which is crazy. So just the dam was that good and that those two songs were that good. So the song they get back together they decide to record this song in the studio. They are working on different ways to do it. JOHN has different different versions. Have it, he plays them on acoustic guitar for them. And again, if you go click in the show notes here at the end of the episode, you can click to the playlist. And they’ve got a couple different versions of the song so you can actually listen to a progression of the song like you can hear it go start as an acoustic guitar version and then you can hear that they add some bongos and they add some bass and it’s almost like a progression from the you know, meet the Beatles. All the way up to current meaning like first version is very basic second version almost sounds like it could be on revolver where it’s it’s a standard or it’s a still a band arrangement. And it’s not until at the end, when they start adding those heavy strings and they they start messing with the sounds and put reverse things in there. That’s where the song gets magical for me. And that’s what makes it so memorable. So that the way that they recorded this was when the band would get together to record songs they get together in the studio. Do they say, you know who’s got a song and so the story here was, the band is together. Everybody gathers around George Martin. And Paul starts to say, I’ve got one in bed john Linda jumps in first and says, oh, I’ve got I’ve got a good one. And they said that you know, Paul graciously back down. But I wish you know what, what I pay to be a fly on the wall to hear that interaction is to see Paul’s face. You know, one of the most famous songwriters, you know, getting shut down and graciously given the Florida has his friend john, who has this song. And they said the most most sessions most new Beatle album session started with a john song. And he said it said that they’re like a half smile played across Paul’s face while he handed the floor to to john and john went on to perform the song for the group, just acoustically. And everybody immediately said it was brilliant. That was Paul’s code. This is brilliant and they all loved it. So they spent the band spent 45 hours recording the song. In contrast, they recorded 10 of the 14 tracks on their first album in 10 hours. So they’ve gone from knocking out an album like in a day to spending 45 hours on one track. When I went to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame recently, they actually had the Mellotron which is the name of the instrument that starts out this. This song, the dude, that’s a little part that that Paul McCartney came up with, but actually had it there at the rock Hall. And I was so excited. I just try to get as close as I could to the glass because I thought it was so cool. And I think what makes the song the most unique is you know, when when the band’s trying out these new this new way of recording, they are not limited by the instruments that they’re playing. They are either open to anything. So they try the song out in different you know, different keys, different speeds. And then at the end of the day, they would, in essence, bounce down the song and give it to the guys who ever wanted to listen to it. Take it home. So john lennon suck the tracks home and listen to them. And he comes back and he talks to George Martin. He says, I’m not I’m not very happy with what we did in Georgia is like, you know, why? What do you mean? And he says, Well, I really like the first half of this take. And I really like the second half of this completely other take, that’s in a different tempo. And George Martin is the producer. So he’s the guy who asked to make this work. And he says, you know, how, what do you mean I can’t I can’t mix these two and john lennon says you can do a George to figure it out is so the way that they did this. They they sped up one of the tracks and they slowed down one of the other tracks which gives john Lennon’s voice a really unique quality, it sounds different than it normally does. The the whole the whole feel of the song has a different kind of sound to it. And a lot of it has to do with that the way that they the way that they line that up. Alright, so that’s that’s the brief, brief rundown of the song I can nerd out on this song for a long time, I’m gonna force myself to stop, because I want to head over to the interview. So here’s an interview with my friend Bill Victor, and we’re going to talk about the the question that he posted. that bothered me for days about the Beatles. Here we go.

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Okay, I’m here with Bill Victor today. He’s a buddy of mine, a big Beatles fan. And Billy Pope posted a really interesting question that I can’t think of anybody else’s Facebook post that stuck with me. And it bothered me in a good way as much as yours did from earlier this year. And you posted and you said something like, what’s the most Beatles sounding song of the Beatles catalog? And as a hardcore Beatles fan? Oh my gosh, that kind of wrecked my mind for a couple days. And I was like, Oh gosh, is it is it Penny Lane? Is it day life like? Anyway, so welcome, welcome, Bill. It would love to hear what made you think of You’ve been asking that question.

Unknown Speaker
Yeah. Thanks for having me, Ryan. I think when I asked that question, I was looking for the song that I think when people people talk about Beatle esque songs, what are they trying to infer? What are they trying to imitate? And what sound are they trying to recreate? And there was several songs that kind of came up in my mind. And really was interesting that the two that came up in my mind that both came out of the the like that double A side, right before Sergeant Pepper and that was Strawberry Fields Forever. And Penny Lane. Those are like to me the two songs that people when they’re trying to create a Beatles song. That’s the vibe they’re going for and the other song would probably probably be, I Am the Walrus.

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Man. I love that song.

Unknown Speaker
Yeah, and those three songs are the ones I think when people tried to imitate the Beatles, that’s the kind of the vibe they’re going for. There’s a few places and other songs where they’re they’re trying to knock up a riff here that I know the reason I feel fine is really popular. I hear that a lot and also, Day Tripper, but like the vibe on a song, Strawberry Fields and petting lane.

Unknown Speaker
Being I totally agree. And it’s interesting you brought up on the walrus too, because I feel like that is one of my very favorite Beatle songs. And I feel like you don’t hear people talk about it as much because it wasn’t like as big a hit maybe as some of the others. But the creativity of that and the way they recorded that, to me is really similar to Strawberry Fields, and it’s just so creative. And yeah, amazing. Yeah. So when it comes down to the Strawberry Fields, forever, like what are the elements of the song that you think like make it stand out as a Beatle song like doubletrack vocals is the instrumentation is that the chord progression like for you? What, what, what is that?

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Yeah, I’m kind of a music idiot. I love music, but I really don’t know a lot of musical terms and everything. Now. And so I think it’s that it’s that the cello that George Martin composed that those cello pieces that you see recreated that kind of set off that era of the needle music going into Sergeant Pepper and then to leading into the Magical Mystery Tour album, I guess you can call it an album that you get the cello and the horns. And it’s starting off with the Mellotron that instrument that kind of it’s a I guess, you know, better night it’s a precursor to a lot of our our loops, tape machines and yeah, they’re samplers and and just that opening just kind of catches you off guard and, you know, looking at some of the reactions. I’ve read about Strawberry Fields and some of the theory Have some of the musicians when they heard it, they were just blown away and it was so different. And then you hear the stories of how it came together was basically two different versions. JOHN gave them both to George Martin and George Martin. These are different tempos, they’re different. They’re different keys. And john just said you’ll, you’ll fix it. He’s like, you got it.

Unknown Speaker
I wish you could see George Martin’s face at that moment where you’ve got the most famous band in the world with one of the top songwriters of all time saying it’s we’ve already we’ve already done the recording you just doesn’t make it work George

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right in this the story of how they had to what they had to do to make that all work out and how they stretch that they were basically wrapping the tape around the room and in all these different spools to get it to to blend together and it’s it’s perfect, this is great.

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It is perfect. Don’t you think that the fact that they slowed it down also makes us in sped it up? Like I think that the That makes it more interesting. His voice is more interesting because it’s not how you normally even hear him seeing and I know he liked to mess with the way that his voice sounded. He liked to double track he like to change his voice but the fact that it’s like slow down even even gives it a different tonal quality to me than than even some of their other songs which is interesting.

Unknown Speaker
Yeah, if you take the way they’ve they’ve slow down his, his voice and the the lyrics. It’s almost it’s like a dreamlike state and I know it. I know the psychedelia movement had maybe started but that really just kick started things and you, you just kind of see that. You can see when I hear that song I see in my mind all kinds of psychedelic imagery, and you know that that just kicked things off and propelled that movement. It it’s just such a unique song and I really Both dad and Penny Lane just sparked some just a new era of Beatles music

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total. And just you know, even there was even a quote from George Martin say when he first heard Strawberry Fields, he said just the songwriting had jumped leaps and bounds from anything he’d ever heard from them before. So like having him you know, recognize that right off the bat and it’s interesting. You can you can hear clips, you know, they have recordings of this and I’m putting the playlist in the show notes for this podcast, but you can click to the playlist in here the released versions of the track before they were finished. So like the first version they have out, you know, it’s, it’s john playing like on an acoustic guitar, and it doesn’t sound anything like the song and then you see they add like some like a bass line and add some congas and it’s like, even even there. I’m like, it almost sounds like something off Rubber Soul. It’s not It’s not the thing it became. And I think it’s the thing that you mentioned where, like, for me, it’s, it’s the horns and the strings and those are really George Martin, who wouldn’t reflected that stuff that makes it gosh, it makes it unique. And in writing the quote that I read from George Martin talking about john lennon was he just, you know, when he said make it work, he also said make it heavy. He’s like, we don’t have to, we don’t have to perform this song. We don’t have to do this live. And he wanted to sound good to us. And, you know, make it heavy George. And I think those strings and stuff like you talked about really take it somewhere unique. And I don’t know why more bands haven’t taken it there since then, using string arrangements like that. Because to me, that’s just it makes it so fascinating to listen to over and over because there’s something new every time I feel like,

Unknown Speaker
right, and just that deep, it went beyond you know, they had done strings and yesterday, and then you have the string arrangement now in a Rigby, but like he’s just mentioned that heaviness that cello that just kind of churns through that song. That is one of those things that just kind of identifies it as a Beatles song. That’s true. And it picks up in I Am the Walrus opening. Yeah, the opening strings of though I’m the walrus in it that’s just so identified with the Beatles. But there’s, you know, one group that did that the one group that did that, I think was ELO early in yellow, when they were doing a lot of it. Yeah, the the strings. I mean, they were trying to do something different. And they were trying to be more orchestral, but can’t get it out of my head. Yes. Is so Beatles desk, in one of the reasons why is the string arrangement? Mm hmm.

Unknown Speaker
That’s definitely true. It’s also funny because like, you can tell like, for me, you sound like you’re if you’re the same. You can tell when somebody is giving a nod to the Beatles. And you can tell when somebody is being overly influenced. And it’s not really their voice that’s coming through. It’s them trying to write the Beatles like that. I feel like there’s there’s a fine line there. And when somebody does it, what With a nod to that stuff, it’s like, Okay, I’m gonna like you even more because I see your influences that you’re you’re nodding to, at least for me, that’s how I hear.

Unknown Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. If you can put a spin on it, like you said, pay you pay tribute to it but not just rip it off or, or Yeah, slavishly annotated. Totally.

Unknown Speaker
Well, it’s interesting like from like, looking back and researching this song and you know, he john lennon wrote this when he was on set, you know, acting in a movie. He was overseas, the band had had their last tour or their last live performance for an audience in August of 1966. And then, you know, john went over and wrote this song while they were on a break, and they started recording this just a couple months later. And so it’s interesting to, for me to like picture him, you know, he’s on it talks about him being on a beach with an acoustic guitar in another country. He’s on a break, he’s finally anonymous in a form in a foreign country in a way so now the beats and the thing that he returns to like content wise is his childhood in right you know, the cash this The lyrics are so fascinating to me and reminds me a little bit of subject matter or like emotional content It reminds me of in my life, which is another one of my favorite Beatle songs. Sure, sure. Yeah, it’s I’m, I’m interested in that angle of john lennon songwriting, which is very different than Paul McCartney’s.

Unknown Speaker
That’s a perfect contrast.

Unknown Speaker
Strawberry Fields Forever and Penny Lane those songs about Liverpool. Both great songs, both Beatles esque songs in my mind yet, you know, the content and the mood and the tone of the songs are just totally different. But I think that’s what makes both john and Paul when they work together, or even separate the two makes the Beatles run

Unknown Speaker
totally. It’s almost like linens like a half empty and glass half empty. And McCartney’s like a glass half full guy. So when you hear we get together, oh my gosh, that’s why they’re so great. And for like, I mean, this is a separate topic, but for their solo material, I feel like that’s where I never connected deeply with many songs of either one of their solo material, either one of their solo songs, because I felt like they were weigh in on one side and weigh in on the other side instead of you know, that balance that the Beatles really brought to show in the dark in the light within a quick, quick three minute song. You know, you’d say like a day in the life where you’ve got the, the heaviest sounding song and content, you know, that’s going and then you hit that middle section, or Paul McCartney Sagan, you know, woke up, got out of bed. It’s like the happiest thing that ever did. And then it goes back to the dark lyric. I was like, that’s so interesting. Well for you, like, as a fan. What was your first interaction with the Magical Mystery Tour album? Do you remember like how old you are when you first heard it or anything like that?

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Yeah, I remember. This wasn’t the days. This was in the early mid 70s. And I remember the days of a track tape and but my grandparents had an eight track tape machine, I would go visit. And I would just go into the room and they had, they had this knockoff Beatles greatest hit. And it wasn’t like an official release, I had Magical Mystery Tour on it. That’s the song. And I remember checking that album out of the library. When I was in sixth grade or so with me and this other girl in our class, we love the Beatles. And we would take turns checking that album out and checking out the the 67 to 70 greatest hits compilation with her and I would just take turns alternating between those two. And that’s Yeah, I remember that. And right after that the movie. The Peter Frampton big movie came out nice around that time. That’s kind of takes me back to that. I remember checking that album out of the library and Loving it being confused by bluejay way, loving fool on the hill and some of the other songs. Yeah. I don’t know if I was ready for it’s all mixed up or the eight minute George song. I’m still 12 months 12 years old, but I just remember I Am the Walrus was just blew me away. Again, that’s one of those definite Beatles songs it just I think when people are trying to imitate the Beatle that’s one of those songs that they returned to.

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Absolutely, I definitely agree. You know, it’s funny when I when I got into them, I was in like seventh grade, but at the time, you know, that was in the 90s. And so I was really into Pearl Jam and Nirvana. And that’s all I was listening to. And then, you know, somebody who played the Beatles might have been my mom playing that that same like blue album you’re talking about with the, you know, the 67th time period. And that like sparked you know, the connection between you know, not just grunge isn’t the only music that’s There’s good music from the 60s and really sent me off down this path of Beatles albums. And then I, you know, got into every album, but I remember going to it’s called Bill’s records and tapes in Dallas. And I remember that I had bought every single Beatles album, except for magical mystery tours. The last one and I remember feeling a little bit sad. Like this is the last new Beatles album, we’ll get to experience Isn’t that funny? Like, it’s this is a seventh grade. Like, there’s a lot of sadness when I bought it. But golly, it’s just the songs are so amazing. And it was, it’s like you said it wasn’t meant to be a typical album. But now that’s really how we listen to it. And the double A side, you know, that we the way that they release that is interesting too, because by releasing Penny Lane and Strawberry Fields as a double A side, it actually hurt them. And they didn’t go to number one for the first time. And that was George Martin’s idea. And he said that that was one of the biggest mistakes of his career, right, which I thought was interesting. I feel like there might have even been a quote saying it took some relief. It takes some stress off them because they didn’t have to To hit that number anymore, you know, they say number two good grief, but they were kept out by Engelbert humperdinck.

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That’s right. That was the number one song that blocked him.

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He literally was done with the song.

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Oh, man, that’s got to be a life highlight for him. I mean, that’s so crazy. You beat the Beatles

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Strawberry Fields Forever with an interesting story about Strawberry Fields Forever. It was that George tells George Martin tells the story of him being invited to john Lennon’s Dakota apartment. And they were talking about the music in general is just being contrarian and he was just railing and gets everything they did. He said that he would he wished he could rerecord everything The Beatles did. And George said even Strawberry Fields and Jonathan especially Strawberry Fields.

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No.

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Don’t you think that just ripped his heart out? Like especially when he bled over that track to get it right? Yeah, because that oh me

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You gotta wonder like from john lennon like, what was he? Gosh, what were you hoping for? Or my what was the artistic vision? If it wasn’t where it ended up as it’s so fascinating.

Unknown Speaker
I think it was just john trying to agitate. I really do. I bet he was really proud of everything he did but favor here the john winner, the young winner, interview. He’s just like to kind of poke it all the Beatles mythology, Tear Tear down here. But I think I think I think when you find later on in life is music. It’s approaching double fantasy. I think he he really came around a lot of that. A lot of what he had done, I think he was proud of what he had done. I think so. In fact, in fact, I think if the Beatles is George and john has lived, continue, you know, I don’t think john would have been the one for that a reunion. I think it would have been George. Hmm.

Unknown Speaker
Interesting. That’s a great question there too. Yeah, I can see that. Yeah, I can see that there’s there’s some bootlegs out from it’s terrible but it’s of john lennon, Paul McCartney and who like Stevie Wonder or somebody Have you ever heard this like recording in the late 70s

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throughout the night la Yeah, exactly I have heard that is it’s terrible but it’s not good. It’s one of the things that did was it in the 70s judge is he went so primal and went back to the roots of rock and you see, you know, he had a rock and roll album or Yes,

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covers doing

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old rock he loved rock and roll and I think that was just get old style. Late 50s, early 60s, rock and roll as always, that was always something that did he clung to.

Unknown Speaker
Definitely, man. I wish I could be a fly on the wall at dinner though to hear Lyndon you know, tell George Martin winters wish we could have done it over. Ah, that’s just that’s, that’s how we went to I went on a trip to the rock’n’roll Hall. fame last month and they actually had the Mellotron they’re you know out there at the Hall of Fame in encased in this like plastic you know glass case whatever it was and I just you know you see it and you just picture them you know fiddling with the notes and trying to come up with those flute sounds and I press this close to the case as I could discuss to the instrument as I could get it well I’m trying to think of any other Are there any other spots about the song or the album that are worth noting?

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ever really just kind of stands on its own? Yeah. And then when you know you have the Magical Mystery Tour, which is you don’t really see it counted in as an album release. But you almost see people moving from from pepper to the White Album. Yeah, they talk about kind of Beatles discography in the White Album, this is just totally different from from Sergeant Pepper who’s just like that, that that stand alone that thing They did they finally were freed from the idea of touring. They could just experiment and do whatever they wanted. And this is what they came up with. And, you know, I go back and forth on what my favorite albums on the Beatles were. And I think when I was younger, it was definitely with the Beatles or the American release. I have. I’m looking at it right now. I have the like, original American, meet the Beatles nine album. Yeah. It’s great. It’s worth nothing because it’s scratched up. I found it my aunt’s basement and it was actually in it was in the album case of sounds of silence, but with a girl. So that was it when I was a kid. Yeah. And then it was Sergeant Pepper. And then of course, you’re like, I think revolver when you get into the UK releases when those started to come out in the late 80s. And in the 90s. And you started to hear more of those. But then one of the beauties of The Beatles is that this the last few years, especially with Sergeant Pepper, a couple years years ago, as these revivals Oh, it’s the 50th anniversary of jazz Martin is doing it. He’s doing masters. So So in, you know, in 2017 we had Sergeant Pepper 2018 we had the White Album 1019 we’re having a road. Yeah. And then next year, Peter Jackson’s coming up with this, let it be movie, which is so